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Death penalty. For? Against? Maybe if...?

Good and evil do not exist - they are ideas created by humans. The real question is, "Is this act beneficial to me and my goals in the long-term?", where your goals may include the preservation of human life, the compensation of acts that produce happiness, etc. One should not be asking "Is this act good?", as it is simply a flawed, dumbed-down version of the above.A person of the human race is likely to feel sympathetic towards another human. Restricting differences in standards between humans and other animals is like restricting the preparation of all foods to placing them in a blender and serving. You must change your standards dependent on the situation with which you are faced.

Do the benefits of killing the animal outweigh the consequences? Do the benefits of killing the human outweigh the consequences?When you look at punishments that are given they are far too mundane to make any sizeable impact on crime, while death penalty doesn't rehabilitate the person neither does prison. Those who comment on prison being a rehabilitation facility clearly haven't been there as prisons can be compared to human zoos. What value does human life have anyway? You'll kill one criminal and there will be a new one in their place by the time the execution is through. This will positively effect longterm crime. Animals can't fight back! It depends on how long the person will be staying in the prison. In some countries a murder can be free and ready to kill again after several years, in this case a death penalty will not solve the problem, but can finnish the one who brings the problem. If you take someone else's survival right, you should be ready of give yours up. In other countries some criminals cry "kill me" as they don't want to be jailed anymore, in this case I am against death penalty. Work is a part of healthy life, I would guess alot of prisoners would actually rather earn their keep. Personally I don't believe in revenge, I would rather they were forced to do something good for themselves and others. The real punishment that people seem to miss is that these people have no freedom, I would hate more than anything to be trapped inside a box, no matter how comfortable it was (which it really isn't, have you ever seen a prison?)Prison working as rehibilitation? I hope you are joking? It's a complex one, but prison is about punishment, removing someones freedom is considered a valid punishment for crime. I don't believe the death penalty is okay ever because the justice system does make mistakes, also how can one have a state sanctioned murderer, who receives no punishment? Riteous killings, is that okay?The death penalty has many problems. It does stop exactly one person from committing a new crime in the future -- assuming that person actually committed a crime in the past. So many prisoners have been exonerated by DNA in the last few years, that the assumption of certainty via adversarial trial must be questioned.

The contrast of prisoners to the mentally ill is illogical as it only begs the question.If it brings releif or closure to the victim's family, then why not?
Aren't they owed at least that much? The most immediate and direct argument for the death penalty is, quite simply, that there is no recidivism. One wrong does not justify another. We shouldn't kill animals either, at least not for reasons of being 'bad' and as a punishment. As a necessity for food source they have to be killed. We give death penalties to animals all the time. Why having double standards?How can someone be justified in taking a person's life even if that person has killed. Do two wrongs make a right? I don't see how the death penalty would cost more. All you need is a rope and a tree. As simple as that. But I don't think about earning living as a punishment. Punishment is forcing good citizens to pay for criminals (or anyones) food and board in prison (or anywhere else), while prisoners don't do anything to earn for their own living. Even in the wild, people have to do some work, like hunt rabbits or build shelters. Because criminals are contained within secure prison area does not mean that they should be treated as if they are on vacation. Work is a part of life. Punishment is fundamentally revenge.[1] Working for food is o.k. and it is a normal thing to expect. Enforcing a hard labor is not good. Idealism? How about the idea of prisons as rehabilitation?

I think that criminals should not be fed by the government, but that they should be forced to earn for food by doing hard labor. Idealism is great and all, but people are relatively sympathetic to criminals, even mass murderers. Criminals are better accommodated than the mentally ill and homeless in America, and can spend their entire lives housed and fed by the government. The death penalty for people with life sentences isn't unreasonable, especially if they have no chance of parole. Prison isn't about vengeance on a person, its about rehabilitation, but if they're never going to leave prison, there is no point. Maybe it is justified if someone affected negatively thousands or millions of lives. For example, if you are a food safety head of China and accept bribes that get someone's unsafe food into the market, than maybe death penalty is the only way to discourage others from doing similar bad things. [2] While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes--mass murder, the rape and murder of a child--so heinous that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment. On the other hand, the way capital cases are tried at the time is so rife with error, questionable police tactics, racial bias, and shoddy lawyering, that a number of death row inmates had been exonerated. [3]Death penalty. For? Against? Maybe if...? They need to kill those impurities in society. Prisoners have prove themselves to not be worthy to walk among the humans.Yo I got to work for everything i got and I consider myself a decent person, but these prisoners are living it up not doing anything but breathing and they get their basic necessities for living. Thats not cool. Not sure which side If we leave a human to decide the life or death of another human, what difference would that make to a murderer? Another life is being taken away in "justice". I don't find any justice in the a-life-for-a-life theory. It's called revenge and revenge is never sweet. Jesus said,"He without sin may cast the first stone." Everyone wrongs someone else at somepoint in their lives, therefore no one has the right to destroy another person's life for any reason. Anyone who believes otherwise is against Jesus. what is this guy going on about? He is such a douche. He is spoiling all the very insightful opinions of all us fellow philosophers. We speak from such depth and understanding that his small mind can't comprehend. It's not like he has spent hours if not days studying this question unlike most of us. He probably has some vague opinion that he has collected from opinions of others and his own "morals" to which he believes can be applied to a broad spectrum. If this is you, I clap and point. If you do not like the death penalty, then rub yourself in body oil, spray your self with some sort of meat smelling deodrant, then wait for the president to be on the toilet rush in there with a balaclava on and give him a piece of your mind. Go get them tiger! Never! The only reason a man should be killed, is by his own discreation, or if he attacks you first.
i believe in nature and nurture. some people can be rehabilitated, others cannot. i dont think there is only one way to be a good or bad person, or to become that person either.
So is a child born with the aggressive sadistic killer's thoughts, or does it attain these thoughts while growing up? Are we individuals being grown in Matrix like environment, detached from reality and fed by some kind of inborn desires being amplified with age, or do our bad, as well as good, inclinations towards a society develop and grow through interaction with the same society?lol! Your actually right :P god agrees. he just sends them to hell to burn in eternal agony instead.

you must have Italian heritage :P

joking, have seen a few mafia movies. :-) im fine with that. im also fine with family-style death sentences. sorry...thats a horrible term lol. not our money, but his labor in prison.do you really believe everyone forms emotions? do you realize that the worst of the worst die the way they were born? do you realize that besides the worst, there is a huge area of grey where things are not as simple as 'enough love will fix things'. sometimes love and desire are not enough. certain people will NEVER think or feel like the average person does. in that case, what is justice? using our money to confine him for eternity?

So what is justice? Spending life in prison and doing hard labor? Or dying the next day? Letting the killer, for example, spend years in redemption and realizing what he/she did wrong, or killing a killer and allowing him to die in delusion and anger and fear and who knows what sad feeling (s)he had at the moment of that regrettable act. [4][5] did say peace was unrealistic, simply there was middle ground between unrealistic peace (its a type of peace).of course its possible. but not TODAY in AMERICA. peace does not start with forgiving criminals, it comes from raising a peaceful society. in the meantime, we have some dirt to deal with, and BOTH issues need to be addressed. and the sentence might not be heavy because of public perception, or laws that are more concerned with criminals rights than that of the victims. were so afraid to become what we hate that we try to protect and improve what we hate, in the hopes of iradicating it. some parts of society are just plain ugly.

Why is peace unrealistic? There are countries where crime rates are amazingly low. Also, there are countries which were neutral in wars, and therefore know only peace. Peace is realistic!That's each persons responsibility, they have already been hurt, seeing justice done is...well, justice.

Criminals rely on the idea that they won't get caught, or if they do, that the sentence won't be heavy. criminals rely on the sympathy and morals of the public- it puts us at a disadvantage. there is a middle ground between unrealistic peace and unneeded brutality.

Wouldn't killing leave a mark on a killer? Wouldn't the family member have some kind of stress disorder after killing the sentenced person? Maybe it is better that a "professional" do it with an injection or electric execution. I'm against it in principle, for it in practice. I don't like the government having control in that area, but letting the family of the victims go at the perp alone in a room with some blunt objects? That's a policy I can get behind.I agree but they way the system is set up it cost more money to give the death penalty then to hold them in a jail till they die. we need change the law so there are not so many appeals that the government had to pay for. I am against the Death Penalty, because no matter what crime is commited, no one deserves to die, even if they did do something absolutely wrong .The death penalty is never necessary. We put people in prison to punish them for committing a crime. The government that administers the death penalty is effectively committing the same crime they are punishing. idk about teh morality but why teh heck to teh morons sterilize teh leathal injection needle





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References:

1. http://www.george-orwell.org/Revenge_is_Sour/0.html
2. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6286698.stm?lsm
3. http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Crime.htm
4. http://best-google-videos.com/video.php?csid=33
5. http://best-google-videos.com/video.php?csid=121


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